2024-06-20 Force Field Release Meeting notes

 Date

Jun 20, 2024

 Participants

  • @Lily Wang

  • @Michael Shirts

  • Barbara Morales

  • @Brent Westbrook (Unlicensed)

  • @Chapin Cavender

  • Patrick Frankel

  • @Pavan Behara

  • @Jeffrey Wagner

  • Julianne Hoeflich

  • Bill Swope

 

Recording: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PNH6b-RzRK5v_-KNFmuU4RRfFeWl0hXd/view?usp=drive_link

 Discussion topics

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Lipid validation

MS

  • Slides:

  • JW – Slide 37 - Why is only AM1BCC/NAGL seemingly symmetric, but others aren’t? Is there some source of chirality involved?

    • JH – I can chekc into it - Maybe P oxygens are getting different charges? Or maybe things get stuck in intiial configuration?

  • LW – Thanks, and the charge-swap section was really insightful. Could we look at the slipids and macrog torsion distributions as well?

    • JH – I can send these later.

    • LW – Yeah, I’m curious about the general comparison of torsion definitions.

  • (slide 31)

    • LW – Are macrog and slipid charges similar?

    • JH – They’re similar in that they’re more polarized than nagl and am1bcc. I have individual plots of those but they’re not in this presentation.

    • LW – For the final Os in phosphate group, what are those charges?

    • JH – I can get back to you

  • CC – Nonbonded cutoff of 0.9 nm for openff? What was used for the others?

    • PF – 0.9 for openff, 1.0 for others.

    • CC – There’s a paper from Angel García (link here) that showed that 1.0+ nm (??) cutoff was needed to get right lipid properties

    • MS – Our APL is already too small, making cutoff bigger would make it even smaller. We also tried LJPME.

    • CC – Bringing this up because I know the SMIRNOFF spec says to use 0.9, but I get the sense that we’ll need to revisit this to get lipids right.

    • MS – Right, we want to look at different cutoffs and LJPME. We discussed, and concluded that we should revisit it once we have clear data. There’s a problem with the fact that lots of codes don’t implement LJPME. But we need to show that lipids need LJPME to get engine makers to implement that

    • CC – Sounds good.

    • PF – Some of my original calcs used LJPME, I’d have to double check the full results but the torsions were roughly the same.

  • PB – These were run with GMX or OMM?

    • PF – GMX

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  • JW – Do we think that it’s reasonably certain that headgroup issues are causing most of the problems, or might intermolecular tail interactions between lipids be too “sticky”?

    • MS – Looked at distributions, tails were a bit too gauche. But headgroups seemed like they’re less covered in our fitting process. We have lots of training data on alkanes so I get the sense that headgroups are more likely to be the issue.

    • BS – It seems like kinetics is bad with tails.

    • MS – Right, but is that downstream of the headgroups all being stuck to each other and keeping the tails from moving?

    • BS – Are we getting diffusion properties of alkanes right in our fitting/benchmarking?

    • MS – We’re getting torsional barriers wrong… (slide 15)

    • BS – If it’s an INTERmolecular issue, the torsions on slide 15 wouldn’t help us identify that.

    • PB (chat) – Lee-Ping recently posted a benchmark paper on longer alkanes from Grimme's group on the literature channel, they seem to be good, https://openforcefieldgroup.slack.com/archives/C1907SGET/p1717409185342469

    • MS –

    • JW – Based on videos, it looks like headgroups-glomping-togehter seems likely.

    • LW – Did the headgroups seem to be glomping up in the charge-swapped OpenFF sims?

    • JH – Yes, I can share those videos later.

  • MS – So, moving forward, I think we want more QM data for headgroups.

    • JW – We have a lot of compute capacity available if we want to submit a dataset.

    • LW – BW could help with dataset preparation, and we could work together on this.

    • CC – I also have torsion scans of nucleic acid backbones which may be useful. The AMBER FFs model phosphates the same with NAs and lipids

  • PB – Some of the phosphate torsions were fine-tuned in 2.1, might it be worthwhile to check against 2.0 as well? T159’s k2 becomes stiffer and there’s an additional periodicity term.

    • MS + PF – We looked at this, we were under the impression that they were mostly the same.

  • PF – We had a weird bug where one torsion was assigned two different parameters… I’ll open an issue for this.

  • MS – We could look at diffusion of decane. I doubt LJ is a problem, but maybe charges/headgroups. What benchmarks did PB’s posted paper do?

    • PB – Just conformer energies, not intermolecular.

  • LW – Also, comparing to a different OpenFF FF (say, 2.0) with different torsions could be a good idea.

    • (General) – 2.0 has a bunch of other issues so we shouldn’t use it out of the box.

    • CC – I can make a modified 2.0 that works better, will send this out.

  • PB – Also maybe switch cutoff in GMX?

    • MS – Using LJPME might be better here.

    • PB – I had some issues running SFEs with 0.9 nm cutoff, which went away with 1.2nm cutoff.

    • MS – Will do something like cutoff= 1.0, 1.2, 1.4, and LJPME.

  • MS – Also will try calcs on diffusion of alkanes. There’s lots of exptl data here.

  • MS – Can compare to GAFF+OPLS? And copy macrogs dihedrals.

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Sage 2.2.1

LW

Postponed

NAGL charges lookup table

LW

Postponed

 

 

 

 

 

 

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