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Participants

Goals

  • Benchmarking Workshop on 9/1

  • Sage + OPLS coordination

  • Public dataset status and needs

  • Updates from team

Discussion topics

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Presenter

Notes

Sage + OPLS coordination

  • LD: announcement sent yesterday on S1, introduced Sage and OPLS as remaining items

    • thinking I’ll send a follow-up pushing for Sage + OPLS optimizations across partners

    • DD: sounds good! Would be good to prod folks periodically for these remaining items

  • LD: Sage should be more mandatory, OPLS more discretionary, but aiming for getting as much as we can for the manuscript

    • Sage results for all partners ideal from Gary’s perspective

  • JW: Sage is just released, but only parameter names have changed from RC2; physics is the same, so think we can just proceed with RC2 results as “Sage” for the manuscript

Public dataset status


DD: backward-and-forward behavior on the QM public industry dataset; have an indication on what the problem is, but not a solution yet

LD: exported about 60,000 QM results at Janssen for analysis so far

DD: MM dataset practically complete; can start export at Janssen for downstream analysis

Updates from team

  • DH: new postdoc in Mobley’s group who will work on relative binding free energy calculations

    • will give a presentation on this tomorrow

    • DD: I would like to attend!

    • DH – Can the free energy benchmarking refactor overlap with this?

    • DD – Thanks for letting me know, I hope so – I’m trying to make the FE workflows general so they can be used in situations like this as well.

  • LD: now doing torsion scans of violating torsions from analysis

    • using openff-benchmark torsiondrive execute-single

    • hitting errors, working through, but think it’s related to geometric

    • may try to do torsion scans with another tool

    • Example errors “Cannot continue constrained optimization, please use cartesian coordinates” “Unknown error”,

    • LD – For previous executions, resubmitting a torsion scan resumes the calcs from the last point. Will torsiondrive single executions also allow this sort of restarting?

      • DD – The torsiondrive-launch script uses some of the same code as openff-benchmark torsiondrive (eg td_api), which is a json-ified entry point to some of the other functionality, but it also has significant difference. td_api doesn’t have many of the same entrypoints as torsiondrive-launch, and I wouldn’t expect this to be accessible

      • LD – It’s interesting because sometimes resubmission of a failed point makes it succeed.

Benchmarking workshop prep

  • DD – LD, do you have what you need? What can we provide?

  • LD – Is there a template that we should use?

    • JW: we have complete flexibility in how this is run

      • want to plan for: at end of the workshop, what should attendees know, what sentiment should they have?

  • JW: want them to know

    • significant findings from public and private sets

    • recap of the methods we used

    • least important: future plans for benchmarking, Season 2, etc.

  • JW: want them to feel

    • engaged, be able to put hands to keyboard, do something cool

    • a bit different with benchmarking, because they’ve already done that by participating in Season 1

    • will need to do some thinking on structure for this; perhaps an analysis like what Thomas Fox did

      • problem is we haven’t been able to reproduce the issues he was seeing

    • something interactive is valuable

  • JW: if we were going to tell a story, what story should we tell?

    • JH: how about the optimization issue with the big angle that was causing the crashes

    • JW: that is a good one! Could cast that into an activity

    • DD will share jupyter notebook from ff-release call where we found this issue

  • DH: are calendar invites sent?

    • JW: not yet, will follow up with Karmen to get event out

    • DH: is this too short notice?

      • JW: usually an ad board meeting there

      • DH: it’s an hour longer though; Gary won’t be able to join, however

      • JW: think it should be okay, will be recorded; partners notified via multiple channels, ad board meetings on timeslot

  • JW: fine if this is only an hour

    • extra hour is for overflow or interactive component

  • DD: Could start with introduction presentation (goals, workflow details), and then running interactive session at the end. If interactivity ends up being really hard, then there’s not a big problem with dropping it. But if we DO plan for the interactive session, the talk should max out at ~30 minutes.

  • JW: could choose a set of molecules, zipped up for ease of distribution

    • perhaps distribute a simple analysis that can give them ideas beyond it, they can expand on

  • LD: perhaps can draw on work Pavan is doing?

  • JW: maybe choose an analysis where one part of it is poorly defined

    • cluster (using some method, lots of choices here) bad RMSD cases

  • DH – Could do analysis of the “most offending violations”, where we have people look at sets of molecules and find trends

  • DD – Can we ship a non-psi4 single file installer for this? That way people can easily run it locally and continue using it afterwards.

  • General – Which “simple analysis” should we showcase before we let them loose?

    • JW – Correlate outliers / RMSDs with number of rotatable bonds?

  • DD – Would be good to say what we want people to learn from the interactive session.

  • JW: timeline

    • day before, send them a zipped-up dataset, single-file installer, jupyter notebook (possibly also a script version of the notebook analysis for folks on remote hosts)

    • could have a Google Colab setup for folks who can’t use the installer

  • For folks that can’t run a jupyter notebook easily, could have a series of scripts they can run that produce equivalent file outputs

  • LD: For dataset, random molecules, or from some partner?

    • JW: random dataset may not produce any informative trends

    • could choose specific chemical space subsets

      • DH – Number of rotatable bonds? Rings? Hbond donors? Maybe random (maximize diversity)?

  • JW: molecules that contain sulfur?

  • DD – Let’s make a slack channel for this discussion

    • JW made #benchmarking-workshop-prep

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